celia green

Celia Green was born, I believe, in 1935. Like all geniuses she is an outsider. Her bitterness is palpable, but understandable. I feel a profound sense of a traigc waste of what is a unique intellect.… (more)

Celia Green remains one of the greatest thinkers of our time. Her books are lucid, and highly original. Her latest, "the Lost Cause" (read review), is undeniably the work of genius. I suggest anyone wishing to know more would be wise to look at her website, and then maybe go and help her for a while; it would certainly be worthwhile, for where else will you meet someone of her calibre? Definitely worth doing. ▪

Celia Green remains one of the greatest thinkers of our time. Her books are lucid, and highly original. Her latest, "the Lost Cause" (read review), is undeniably the work of genius. I suggest anyone w… (more)

I think the other people involved with celia green/lucid dreams were bad data and miasma. I'm not sure how she got involved with the label, but Chris and Dave (aka bad data) seemed to have taken … (more)

Absolutely love what I've streamed of Lucid Dreams on the site-- the only track in my personal collection is 'In the Extreme.' So now I know that it's her voice on the tracks, but… (more)

Discuss Celia Green and the IPR in our discussion forum. ▪

I haven't read much Celia Green (only the Human Evasion), and I've liked the ideas so far, but you gotta admit the stuff oozes bitterness in a big way. That doesn't exactly make it plea… (more)

Briefly - I think Celia's main beef is that she has been prevented, as she sees it, from taking what she sees as her rightful role in the academic community. I think she feels, after all these ye… (more)

Aphorisms of celia green that have meant a lot to me lately are: "War is a good way of lowering the standard of living so that nobody has time to think, if they do have thoughts about reality they won… (more)

two quotes in response: "I would be sorry for everyone living on the ordinary terms, if they showed any sign of knowing how to be sorry for themselves." c. green 1981 p.34 "In all the years of m… (more)

Hey there former bcd, hope all is well with you. Hope you didn't think I was a conspiracy theory nut! I certainly don't think you're sinister at all! However, that is what the Ipcres… (more)

Richard, I am not as sinister as I seem. Bcd was the username chosen for me by msn. Regarding Dr Green. I did not think I could ever be critical of her, but what I am struggling with is this. Sh… (more)

all types of responses are all welcome here - stand your ground. i get what you were saying/asking: will the ideas of celia green manipulate you into holding her aspects/rights... she is a very s… (more)

I do find some of Dr Green's ideas a little extreme, but hey if it provokes debate then I'm all for it! Does the name formerbcd mean anything? Do you like that michael caine film, The Ipcre… (more)

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I apologize for posting comments which may be seen as less than supportive in what is, after all a tribute board. But there is no other forum and Dr Green herself charges for replies to enquirie… (more)

although the four snap shots that feature on em:t 2295 on the track ‘in the extreme' are very clear in giving a sense of her abilities with analysing under the rigorous criteria of existential uncertainty. i do feel that to get a greater sense of celia green's voice to her overview's and comprehension you should make the effort to at lest read as many books that she has published. or at least these four: ‘the lost cause' 2003 – ‘advice to clever children' 1981 – ‘the decline and fall of science' 1976 – ‘the human evasion' 1969. you may find that the decline and fall of science is very concerned with asking & tell that the ipr (institute of psychophysical research) is in great need of funding and staff/volunteers to help maintain and run the ipr. this is still the case even today. in celia green's own words in her new book, the early publications were “…widespread appeals for funding (or ‘distress flairs').”

on the aspect of her own view, to our not so supple governmental society, i'll try and point out a couple of reasons from what i have gathered so far. first consider; what else is the use of preserving life for, if not to enable it?!

on celia green's own site she has made a comparison of the thing we call ‘social approval' to the likes of the life force from the blair witch – from the film ‘the blair which project'. & in [i think; for lack of my own time to confirm this…] the decline and fall of science she describes ‘the voice of society' to be that of “mammon” but not in the sense of debasing by material wealth, but that of ascribing its readiness to demolish an individuals opportunity.

to end; i think all of what celia green has tried to offer through her works has been that of enabling the individual to occur, and for there to be a clear sense of such a item.

Love (in modern sociology, etc.) means ‘to interact continuously and absorbingly with other people in such a way as to keep everyone's mind off reality, but without actually killing them'. C. Green 1981.

If you stand up to the human race you lose something called their ‘goodwill'; if you kowtow to them you gain . . . their permission to continue kowtowing. C. Green 1976.

Society is everyone's way of punishing one another because they daren't take it out on the universe. C. Green 1976.

Society is a self-regulating mechanism for preventing the fulfilment of its members. C. Green 1976.

This concept of total loss of individuality, blissfully dissolved in society (one is reminded of mystical expressions about dewdrops slipping into oceans), clearly has great appeal to human psychology. C. Green 2003. ▪

although the four snap shots that feature on em:t 2295 on the track ‘in the extreme' are very clear in giving a sense of her abilities with analysing under the rigorous criteria of existential un… (more)

Don't get me wrong. I love this woman to bits. Reading her work has literally changed my life and the music is fab. But she excoriates people who, in her words, say "It would make all the diff… (more)

one of the key works by playwright / director / actor steven berkoff 'metamorphosis' (an adaptaion of franz kafka's original play.) exemplifies the concepts' of disparagement.

a young man called gregor, is outcast by his family, in their eyes and his own he falls from social grace, and changes into an insect. the alienation and torment, which is displayed, is not that of adolescent corruption but that of thought pattern difference. as gregor embraces and entertains his new perspectives - devaluing views - household, toe treading hatred is cast.

celia green explains on the track 'in the extreme' that normal psychology criteria will never devalue everything, where as existential psychology will exploit the recoil of disappear.

gregor develops the same clarity from his observations and involvement (prior to becoming an insect) with the erred, distracting, pointless society (in his opinion) that no longer thrills him. towards the end he then places his family to see things from his point, so that they might show him kindness of sorts no matter the condition of his resentment / realistic voice; though does not fully succeed.

the insect form may be seen as 'a shell for a body' that is bestowed by others sight of his views - it is not comprised of gregor's intentions, more an iron mask hiding what his family regard as disappointment / vulgarity / despondence. gregor may be said to be held by deep concentrations of integral truth, with his understandings of 'futility'. ▪

paul; just to reciprocate, a play that i've read & my sister has featured in, which can also be viewed in dr. green's light. one of the key works by playwright / director / actor steven … (more)

I've just seen Albert Camus' Caligula on stage in London (Donmar Warehouse). Mein Gott! It's brilliant!

Caligula himself represents the existential hero who 'sees existence' and follows his logic to its inevitable conclusion. He's 'centralised' (but does rather let the attendant despair get the better of him.) The senators (and to a large extent, the audience) represent non-existential humanity who seek to suppress such raw awareness of existence.

The play addresses many important points, and doesn't flinch in its analysis. I can't imagine seeing a better play in which the conflict between the two basic kinds of psychology is played out. 'Twas inspirational. If you can't see the play, do buy the book.
(Great music too). ▪

I've just seen Albert Camus' Caligula on stage in London (Donmar Warehouse). Mein Gott! It's brilliant! Caligula himself represents the existential hero who 'sees existence'… (more)

i've just found this at libertarian alliance & an interview that i've never seen before now somewhere else.
one other set of 'people' who are helping there to be a display of celia green's protractor are www.deoxy.org, where you will find a review / interview of dr. green and her memes & the complete version of the human evasion available to absorb.

myself i'm letting people know via e-mail communications to webmasters of apt. websites & message board pages ranging from music, film, and art area's. but really this is off my own back with written e-mail permission / thanks from fabian tassano(ipr colleague); which really i only sort to show support for the ipr; but its unnecessary in hindsight. along with helping this site to happen unpaid i guess that's two acts of philanthropy. i'm not try to buy my way into heaven, it's more for me about evaluating my own aims; and these two organisations (emit.cc & ipr) align with my own fairly neatly.

though her books / works' have managed to get me out of many a cog-nitive jam. they allow thoughts to occur and don't dumb down at any stage. what better heroic person to allow in your life. being that i often begrudge 'familiarity' and seek alternative systems of explanation (so as to stay on a creative roll), i find the access to her ideas fast; as paul mentioned below the information is reduced and active.

"The difference between learning fast and learning slowly is not that the same mental processes happen, only faster or slower as the case may be. Ether you are learning fast enough for mental processes to happen, or they do not happen at all." c. green 1981.

i often look up the aphorisms she has made as instances of understanding / observations i have made, make them definitely 'applicable' for myself.
"Young people wonder why the adult world can be so boring…" my mother also acknowledged the applicability of, though she has no inclination to depart from sanity, but has dealt with over ten years in carrying out secretarial post-mortem / pathology dictation. i guess office atmospheres and half a decade living with people contributed to her awareness that adults "…enjoy simple things like covert malice at one another's expense…". that particularly celia green aphorism (which can be heard on em:t 2295 in full.) has seemed so absolute to me, not because of the approval that my mother gave it, more because unfortunately i'm able to witness it - with strong immediacy.

dr. green's gift i would say is very much the ability to leave one with a firm existential beyond, beyond. it makes you know that you can say & further other ideas and makes me want to seek them out with 'courage'. ▪

i've just found this at libertarian alliance & an interview that i've never seen before now somewhere else. one other set of 'people' who are helping there to be a display of celi… (more)

Ah - when you receive "The Lost Cause" you'll see "Letters from Exile" (with a short review from Fabian Tassano) advertised as a book from Oxford Forum. It's a compiation of her most cutting correspondence on various matters. I presume some of it will already have appeared on her website (which doesn't mention the book at all, yet.)

How does one find out about Celia Green exactly? I saw "Advice..." in a Manchester bookshop in about 1990. I'd had enough of Psychology, and ignored it. It disappeared. Then due to a very odd set of circumstances, it was later recommended to me, and I looked up her books at the library - I'd been waiting to read stuff like this for years. Even better for the soul than Sade, Max Stirner and Fred Nietzsche. Nothing at all to touch it. Like she says: "I cannot write long books - I leave that for those who have nothing to say." Who else can, or will, sum up the fact - and consequences - of Uncertainty, or The Inconceivable, in little more than two pages? Who is more honest, or more unconditionally in support of individual liberty? Her books do need to be more widely available, though - Only a very small minority of people will relate to the ideas in these books, but even they have to rely on 'chance' to stumble across them. Em:t has done a very significant job in tipping the scales a little. If you like Celia Green, you may also like Thomas Szasz - one of the best "libertarian" (for want of a better word) writers alive today, in my opinion. ▪

Ah - when you receive "The Lost Cause" you'll see "Letters from Exile" (with a short review from Fabian Tassano) advertised as a book from Oxford Forum. It's a compiation of her most cutting… (more)

oh where oh where, did you read that? - have you an idea what it pertains towards; at a guess i'm assuming it will be to do with the fault lines that cause alienation from academia / success. (?)
there is one letter about einstein's exile on her site.

paul have you any more info. or a link?
when did you learn about the ipr existing and their works?

myself it was through em:t2295, and then around late 1997 i bought 'advice to clever children' & 'the human evasion'; by late 1999 i owned all their works; bar fabian tassano's book 'the power of life or death: a critique of medical tyranny' which was not until late 2001; and i don't yet have charles mccreery's music writings in my life. (stop me if this is sounding like a jigsaw puzzle.) then of course there is the new book 'the lost cause' that i'm waiting to be sent.

i have also been lucky to have a printout copy of her previous web site and current; though unfortunately i don't have the first two, but did see the second one. i have been sent a few short e-mails and some post that can and can not be found at her site. one which you can not, references the "tall poppy syndrome - a piece about general resentment of success." c. green march 2002.
again, i'm guessing that it has been included in the new book, but i'll confirm this as and when; or perhaps this will be included within her 'letters from exile'. ▪

oh where oh where, did you read that? - have you an idea what it pertains towards; at a guess i'm assuming it will be to do with the fault lines that cause alienation from academia / success. (?)… (more)

note: celia green has a new book out from last month (15/05/03) called the lost cause: causation and the mind-body problem

please continue to take the blinkers from our eyes. ▪

the institute of psychophysical research (ipr) describes themselves and position currently as: "This is the high IQ ghetto of Oxford, temporarily situated in Forest Gate (London), but not for long.… (more)

Celia Green: The greatest mind since Nietzsche. Her book, Advice to Clever Children, possibly the most important book of the Twentieth Century. Anyone wishing to evaluate my comments should order the book and decide for themselves.

The Human Evasion and The Decline and Fall of Science complete a must-have trilogy of the highest intellectual order.

I might also add, for those that think of themselves as individualists, that there are no other books, in the entirety of literature, that are more radical, unconditional or revolutionary than these. ▪

Celia Green: The greatest mind since Nietzsche. Her book, Advice to Clever Children, possibly the most important book of the Twentieth Century. Anyone wishing to evaluate my comments should order the … (more)